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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 1
    como muchos utilizamos el domain tasting como guia en nuestros registros y estamos abiertamente en contra del abuso de esta util herramienta, nos interesa que siga viva.
    En mi caso particular, trato de no sobrepasar ciertos porcentajes en la empresa donde tasteo, sabiendo que se discute la imposicion de cortar el tasting a quienes sobrepasen -a nivel registrars- un porcentaje a determinar. Otras propuestas es cobrar ese tasting, no ya .20 cents, sino 25, etc. Propongo seguir aqui las nvedades de esta discusion, la mas caliente de los ultimos tiempos en ICANN. Por ceirto, aun esperan el reporte de NS :devil: el escandalo que desato la demonizacion del tasting
    Hasta ayer estaban vigentes las discusiones y hoy se han interrumpido en este punto, entre otros, por 72 horas:
    The staff paper discusses three options for addressing tasting, to
    eliminate the practice. These are three options that have been discussed
    recently in many recent writings describing the tasting practice and its
    effects. As discussed in the GNSO report and elsewhere, there are
    basically three options that could be used to attack domain tasting: (1)
    ICANN could revise its registrar-level transaction fee (the current rate
    is US$0.20, which is subject to raise as the contracted rate is US$0.25)
    to cover all new registrations and discontinue the exemption for
    "tasted" domains, (2) registries could impose a "restocking" fee for
    disproportionate domain deletions, or (3) ICANN could establish a new
    "policy" effectively deleting the add grace period policy in the
    registry agreements.

    si hay algo mas de interes lo ire posteando por aquiOffline
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 2
    estos son los puntos (view) 1 y 2 que se estan discutiendo entre los registrars:
    The Motion: Move that the Registrar Constituency approve the following statement as Registrar Constituency Statement on Domain Tasting: The Registrars Constituency (RC) has not reached Supermajority support for a particular position on Domain Name Tasting. Below are statements of the views/positions espoused by RC members.
    View 1. Many registrars believe that Tasting should be curbed if not eliminated altogether for one or more of the following reasons:
    a. Tasting is causing general confusion among registrants and potential registrants trying to register domain names.
    b. Tasting is eroding consumer confidence in the security and trustworthiness of domain name registration services and our industry in general.
    c. Tasting is causing an increase in support costs for Registrars.
    d. Tasting violates well-established codes of conduct and good practice intended to ensure security and stability by:
    i. disturbing the stability of a set of existing services that had been functioning satisfactorily, namely the competitive domain name registration services developed by Registrars;
    ii. disturbing other existing systems and value added services, for example those relying on Zone files, and various third party WHOIS services;

    iii. increasing costs that must be absorbed by others not participating in or benefiting from Tasting.
    e. Despite the long held tenet of "First do no harm," there has been no research, testing for potential disruption of existing services, public review, or comment prior to this high volume activity abruptly occurring in the DNS.
    In summary, high volume Tasting activity has undermined expectations about reliable behavior and in so doing has reduced trust in the security and stability of the system and has increased costs for registrars, registrants, and others not participating in the activity.
    View 2. Many registrars believe that Tasting should not be a matter of concern or action by the GNSO or ICANN for one or more of the following reasons:
    a. Tasting takes place due to market demand, and the market should be allowed to evolve as demand dictates.
    b. ICANN is not a regulatory body, and according to its own bylaws, coordinates policy development reasonably and appropriately related to technical functions of the DNS. ICANN should not be regulating market activity.

    de lo que aqui se resuelva, cada registrar tiene 90 dias para implementarlo en su sistemaOffline
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      CommentAuthorGüoker
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 3
    Totalmente de acuerdo con el punto de vista 2:

    View 2. Many registrars believe that Tasting should not be a matter of concern or action by the GNSO or ICANN for one or more of the following reasons:
    a. Tasting takes place due to market demand, and the market should be allowed to evolve as demand dictates.
    b. ICANN is not a regulatory body, and according to its own bylaws, coordinates policy development reasonably and appropriately related to technical functions of the DNS. ICANN should not be regulating market activity.


    :boxing:Shut Up !! Shut the hell up ! There's an Artist on stage !! UuUhh, yakalkiu kutulu, yakatomi pakatu, yakatoshi palaka, miu miuli miu yakatoshi kalaka !
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      CommentAuthorCorso
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 4
    :smash::: el roce hace el dominio ::
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 5
    se habla de poner un precio de introduccion o descuentos para suplantar al tasting:
    A consensus or temporary policy to delete the registry agreement
    contractual provision that specifies the add-grace period might not be
    an effective means of eliminating the practice. Tasting could still be
    offered as a short-term pricing or introductory price discounts even if
    the five-day period did not exist.

    malditos NS que destaparon la olla
    In order to expedite implementation, Susan [Crawford] proposed the Board adopt a resolution today as an emergency policy focused on the impact on security and stability and relating it to the recent service introduced
    by Network Solutions.

    segun el estatuto del icann, antes de tomar cualqueir decision debe publicarse la discusion durante 21 ias en su web, asi que esto va para largo :silbo:
    John Jeffrey advised that any attempt to invoke consensus policy would need to comply with bylaws. Resolutions to address tasting by invoking
    the consensus (or temporary) policy provisions of ICANN's registry or
    registrar agreements would have to comply with both the terms of those
    agreements, and with ICANN's Bylaws. Bylaws Article III, Section 6, for
    example, requires that "With respect to any policies that are being
    considered by the Board for adoption that substantially affect the
    operation of the Internet or third parties, including the imposition of
    any fees or charges, ICANN shall [...] provide public notice on the
    Website explaining what policies are being considered for adoption and
    why, at least twenty-one days (and if practical, earlier) prior to any
    action by the Board ..."
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      CommentAuthorCorso
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 6
    Posted By: The BestNetwork Solutions.


    El Diablo :devil::: el roce hace el dominio ::
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      CommentAuthorGustavo
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 7
    así es, la historia del NS es la crónica del mal...

    :devil:Irrational Escalation of Commitment.
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 8
    Kurt Pritz advised that the NSI practice is enabled by the AGP: putting
    the name on hold for 5 days. If NSI is required to pay a transaction fee
    then it is general opinion that the practice would end. John Jeffrey
    confirmed that in conversations with NSI, a representative had indicated
    that the service had already been revised since it was initiated, and
    also that if ICANN were to impose a fee for the AGP than they would
    likely roll back the service.

    y aqui algo muy interesante
    Steve Crocker advised that SSAC had spent a lot of time thinking about this and he made two observations. The AGP is the connective tissue
    between NSI's goals in the new service and their ability to offer the
    service, but it is not the right issue. Information supplied by the user
    when checking name availability disadvantages the user in an unexpected
    way and when exposed a registrant would not want the registrar to
    operate in this way. Raising the price on five-day registrations is a
    pragmatic approach but it does not get to the core value underlying
    this. We may feel good about the fee but it does not get to the core of
    what's going on. We should not casually drive by and address a serious
    underlying issue with the fee. Regarding other ways to eliminate
    tasting, removing the AGP as a registry contract requirement would not
    necessarily be effective because a registry might choose to offer some
    fee discount period for whatever reason that would effectively replicate
    the AGP. Therefore, although ICANN might remove the AGP as a
    requirement, it is not assured that this would remove this as an option.
    If the transaction fee is imposed on add-grace deletes ICANN could
    subsidize costs resulting from typos or fraud.

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      CommentAuthorDomo Sapiens
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008 editado
     # 9
    Posted By: The Best
    Kurt Pritz advised that the NSI practice is enabled by the AGP: putting
    the name on hold for 5 days. If NSI is required to pay a transaction fee
    then it is general opinion that the practice would end. John Jeffrey
    confirmed that in conversations with NSI, a representative had indicated
    that the service had already been revised since it was initiated, and
    also that if ICANN were to impose a fee for the AGP than they would
    likely roll back the service.

    y aqui algo muy interesante
    Steve Crocker advised that SSAC had spent a lot of time thinking about this and he made two observations. The AGP is the connective tissue
    between NSI's goals in the new service and their ability to offer the
    service, but it is not the right issue. Information supplied by the user
    when checking name availability disadvantages the user in an unexpected
    way and when exposed a registrant would not want the registrar to
    operate in this way. Raising the price on five-day registrations is a
    pragmatic approach but it does not get to the core value underlying
    this. We may feel good about the fee but it does not get to the core of
    what's going on. We should not casually drive by and address a serious
    underlying issue with the fee. Regarding other ways to eliminate
    tasting, removing the AGP as a registry contract requirement would not
    necessarily be effective because a registry might choose to offer some
    fee discount period for whatever reason that would effectively replicate
    the AGP. Therefore, although ICANN might remove the AGP as a
    requirement, it is not assured that this would remove this as an option.
    If the transaction fee is imposed on add-grace deletes ICANN could
    subsidize costs resulting from typos or fraud.


    porque posteas solo pedazos?:que:Domains-for-sale: PrivateEuro.com PagoAbierto.com TierraRaras.com AISmallBusiness.com TarjetaEuro.com
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008
     # 10
    domo, porque el texto es larguisimo :dumb: y en englís que yo do not spík :bigsmile:
    por fin ,el texto que ya fuera aprobado, que ha sido re elaborado y que habla de imponer tasa para todos los dominios aun los que esten dentro del periodo de gracia :boxing: veremos que dicen empresas como dynadot que deben su exito a contar con el serviioc de tasting, entre otras :boxing:
    Whereas, the current version of all gTLD registry contracts provides for a five-calendar-day Add Grace period (AGP) following the initial registration of a domain during which a domain may be deleted and the sponsoring Registrar will be credited for the amount of the registration fee (see, e.g., http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/verisign/appendix-07-01mar06.htm); Whereas, the AGP was originally created to allow domain names that had been accidentally registered to be cancelled; Whereas, the practice of "domain tasting," by which names are registered and then deleted during the AGP, has grown at a very great rate since 2005, with tens of millions of domains registered and deleted each month; Whereas, it is apparent that the AGP is being used for purposes for which it was not intended; Whereas, abuse of the AGP is, in the opinion of the majority of respondents whose statements were collected by the GNSO Ad Hoc Group on Domain Name Tasting (4 October 2007 report), producing disadvantages in the form of consumer confusion and potential fraud that outweigh the benefits of the AGP; Whereas, the GNSO Council on 31 October 2007 resolved to launch a PDP on Domain Tasting and to encourage staff to apply ICANN's fee collections to names registered and subsequently de-registered during the AGP; Whereas, it is the Board's view that abuses of the AGP should speedily be halted, while the positive benefits of the AGP to consumers should be retained; Whereas, the positive benefits of the AGP may include, among other things, avoiding fraud and monitoring, testing and development of registrars' provisioning, production and/or merchant gateway systems; Whereas, the Board believes that the withdrawal of ICANN's waiver of
    ICANN's non-refundable transaction fee to the deletion of names within the AGP
    will substantially end the practice of abusing the AGP; THEREFORE, the Board resolves (2008.01.04) to encourage ICANN's budgetary process to include fees for all domains added, including domains added during the AGP, and encourages community discussion involved in developing the ICANN budget, subject to both Board approval and registrar approval of this fee.
    A voice vote was taken of all Board Members present and the motion was
    approved by a vote of 13-0. Bruce Tonkin abstained from voting on this
    item.

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    existen unas cosas que se llaman "url links":susurro::dumb:Domains-for-sale: PrivateEuro.com PagoAbierto.com TierraRaras.com AISmallBusiness.com TarjetaEuro.com
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      CommentAuthorjberryhill
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2008 editado
     # 12
    La linea inferior, sin todos las palabras, es que ICANN va a cargar US $.25 para todos los dominios registrados - si tenidos (?) para cinco dias o no.

    Fue el plan original que Jay Westerdal (domaintools.com) dije en 2006 cuando "domain tasting" empeza estar grande.

    La problema en verdad esta que Verisign recibe mucho (si no mayoria) de sus ingresos de los dominios tenidos por los "domain testadoros". Esta siempre posible para Verisign poner fin al "domain tasting" solo por lo si. La falta no esta con los registrars... incluyendo esos que ven un oportunidad y lo usan.

    (espero no sonar como un idiota - ha sido un largo tiempo desde que intenté este)

    Los economicos estan que $.25 es suficiente poner fin al "tasting" de grandes numeros de dominios (con menos de .5% tenidos para mas de cinco dias).
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      CommentAuthorjberryhill
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
     # 13
    Link acqui:

    http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-23jan08.htm

    Resoluccion numero seis:

    Considerando que, en la AGP fue creada originalmente para permitir que los nombres de dominio que se habían
    Registrado accidentalmente a ser cancelado;

    Considerando que, en la práctica de la "degustación de dominio", por la que se registran los nombres y
    Luego borrar durante la AGP, ha crecido a un gran ritmo desde 2005, con
    Decenas de millones de dominios registrados y se eliminarán todos los meses;

    Considerando que, es evidente que la AGP se está utilizando para fines para los que
    No tenía;

    Considerando que, el abuso de la AGP es, en opinión de la mayoría de los encuestados
    Cuyas declaraciones fueron recogidas por la GNSO Grupo Especial en materia de Nombres de Dominio
    Degustación (4 de octubre de 2007 informe), que producen inconvenientes en la forma de
    Confusión de los consumidores y de los posibles fraudes que superan los beneficios de la
    AGP;

    Considerando que, en el GNSO Consejo el 31 de octubre de 2007 decidieron poner en marcha un Programa de
    Degustación de dominio y para alentar al personal a la ICANN aplicar la tasa a las colecciones
    Nombres registrados y, posteriormente, de-registradas durante el AGP;

    Considerando que, es opinión de la Junta de que los abusos de la AGP debería ser rápidamente
    Detenido, mientras que los beneficios positivos de la AGP a los consumidores debe ser
    Conservado;

    Considerando que, los beneficios positivos de la AGP pueden incluir, entre otras cosas,
    Evitar el fraude y la vigilancia, las pruebas y el desarrollo de los registradores "
    Aprovisionamiento, la producción y / o sistemas de gateway mercante;

    Considerando que, la Junta considera que la retirada de la suspensión de la ICANN ICANN
    No reembolsable de transacción tasa a la supresión de los nombres dentro de la AGP se
    Sustancialmente poner fin a la práctica de abusar de la AGP;

    POR LO TANTO, la Junta resuelve (2008.01.04) para alentar a la ICANN el proceso presupuestario a
    Incluyen los honorarios de todos los dominios añadido, incluyendo temas agregados durante el AGP,
    Y alienta a la comunidad en el desarrollo de la discusión a que el presupuesto de la ICANN,
    Ambos sujetos a la aprobación de la Junta y la aprobación del registro de esta tasa.
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      CommentAuthorDominero
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
     # 14
    Venga deberian regularlo pero no eliminar el domain tasting. Creo es un derecho que si el dominio esta "defectuoso" le puedas "devolver" y registrar otro :bigsmile:DominiosIDN.com ||
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      CommentAuthorGüoker
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
     # 15
    Ya llego en la ICA newsletter :contrato: :cry:Shut Up !! Shut the hell up ! There's an Artist on stage !! UuUhh, yakalkiu kutulu, yakatomi pakatu, yakatoshi palaka, miu miuli miu yakatoshi kalaka !
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      CommentAuthorjberryhill
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
     # 16
    Venga deberian regularlo pero no eliminar el domain tasting. Creo es un derecho que si el dominio esta "defectuoso" le puedas "devolver" y registrar otro


    Registrant:
    Próximamente estará ensubasta.com
    Av. Ramón y Cajal, 29
    LEON, LEON 24002
    SPAIN
    Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
    Domain Name: DEFECTUOSO.COM

    Ya llego en la ICA newsletter :contrato: :cry:


    Por que las lagrimas?
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      CommentAuthorSoftaltec
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008 editado
     # 17
    Posted By: jberryhill
    Registrant:
    Próximamente estará ensubasta.com
    *************
    *************
    *************
    Registrar: DOTREGISTRAR
    Domain Name: DEFECTUOSO.COM

    ¿Ese dominio no es de raquel? :confuso: ¿me he perdido algo?¿Que ha sido de mi durante este tiempo? - Softaltec - My 2¢
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      CommentAuthorCorso
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     # 18
    Soft, creo que es una broma. :cata3::: el roce hace el dominio ::
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      CommentAuthorSoftaltec
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     # 19
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      CommentAuthorjavierf
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     # 20
    ahora me pregunto con todo esto se le acaba la jugada a pool ,y aquellos que capturan dominios para luego subastarlo, oh me equivoco. Pregunto desde mi ignorancia@Domainer
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      CommentAuthorDario
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     # 21
    Buena pregunta Javier.. :confuso:Stephen M. Cohen fue un mártir :matu:
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2008
     # 22
    resultados de la votacion aqui, veremos muchos nombres conocidos en el listado de la votacion, dato muy interesante a la hora de saber donde estan politicamente parados cada uno de ellos (se destaca el voto de nominalia,john berryhill, sedo, tim gordady, bhavin de directi y hasta nuestro nuevo amigo eldueño de españa.info :sad:Offline
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      CommentAuthorDie Beste
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2008
     # 23
    Attached and copied below is a proposed GNSO Council motion developed by the
    domain tasting design team.
    Some comments may be helpful.
    1. The design team agreed unanimously during its first meeting that,
    because of the work done to that point, it did not wish to propose further
    work. Instead, the team believed that it was appropriate for the Council to
    recommend a policy to the Board.
    2. The general concept of the proposed motion -- to modify the AGP -- is
    the subject of unanimous agreement.
    3. The bracketed language is language that was not the subject of unanimous
    agreement. More specifically:
    a. Two members of the team are not committed to the 10%
    threshold and would prefer a lower percentage. I am one of them. I
    calculated the six-month average of the AGP delete percentages (as
    percentages of net adds (1 year)) in .com for GoDaddy, eNom, Inc., Tucows,
    Register.com, and Network Solutions. GoDaddy's average percentage was less
    than 2%. As a result of that review, I have questions as to why a 10% limit
    is appropriate if the largest registrar in .com (by a factor of at least 2)
    has a less than 2% deletion rate. It would be helpful to me if someone could
    provide on Saturday a general explanation as to why the registrars smaller
    than GoDaddy had larger percentages (some more than 5 times as high).
    b. One member of the team wanted to (i) delete from the
    resolution and the suggested language the references to excess deletes
    being, barring exceptional circumstances, indicative of speculation in
    domain registrations and (ii) move that language into a whereas clause.
    4. It is the team's expectation that the motion will be discussed on
    Saturday.
    Attachment: DT Design team proposed GNSO Council tasting motion - SCRUBBED on 02-06-08 21_53.DOCOffline
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      CommentAuthorCorso
    • CommentTimeFeb 8th 2008
     # 24
    ¿entonces? :que::: el roce hace el dominio ::